tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6593111645312644614.post1429984732102268650..comments2024-03-08T16:29:43.412+11:00Comments on Imperator Guides: Tactica Space Marines - Unique Characters Part FourAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17558640637533882553noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6593111645312644614.post-81133589567787286252013-10-27T05:17:08.640+11:002013-10-27T05:17:08.640+11:00That makes more sense on the heldrake. I was think...That makes more sense on the heldrake. I was thinking if he had plenty of room to maneuver. Good call on putting Lysander in the middle. I just feel Lysander lost some utility and a chapter master on a bike seems to make a better beat stick. Big Poppa Freshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07315696236166897973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6593111645312644614.post-60210234135877221072013-10-19T12:40:18.544+11:002013-10-19T12:40:18.544+11:00Argh, I made a long reply on the Warlord Trait thi...Argh, I made a long reply on the Warlord Trait thing and Blogger happily deleted it. ARGGGGH!<br /><br />Basically the gist of it was that I've always been out of luck when it comes to rolling for Warlord Traits, and most other players I've talked to have a similar experience. In that sense, having a guaranteed Warlord Trait means you are more likely to have something useful - unless it is one that causes Fear, etc - and Lysander's just makes him that much more terrifying. <br /><br />Thanks for the comments by the way, it is very much appreciated!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04199060698563105464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6593111645312644614.post-11900047199374549942013-10-19T12:33:25.734+11:002013-10-19T12:33:25.734+11:00I agree I probably should have covered their loss ...I agree I probably should have covered their loss a bit more, but I think it really speaks volumes about just how under-costed Lysander before that he is still a great character despite going up in price and losing a lot of abilities. <br /><br />I've found using him and other scary character killers like Karandras makes for a really funny terror weapon against enemy Warlords, it forces usually reckless usage of Chaos Lords of Khorne on Juggernaughts to be really selective of their targets if you be aggressive enough. Such effects can win the game; in the Emperor's Will for example, secondaries are more important than almost anywhere else. Having Lysander as the Warlord, or having him as the bodyguard to another Warlord, can really scare off Greater Daemons and Daemon Princes alike who are usually on the hunt for such characters. <br /><br />With template weapons, you have to remember that regardless of Torrent all wounds are still resolved against the closest models, not just those under the template. Generally speaking, Lysander - particularly in a drop pod unit - will be coming down in a contested area where a Heldrake is unlikely to get much room at all to land. From there, you can either position Lysander in the most likely position nearest to where a Heldrake will be placed, or if the Heldrake has a lot of room to move, put him in the middle of the unit so at most you can only lose a few models. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04199060698563105464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6593111645312644614.post-61619554634399364472013-10-19T04:14:55.540+11:002013-10-19T04:14:55.540+11:00Forgot one thing, I also used to like the book war...Forgot one thing, I also used to like the book warlord traits since you could get scoring for Lysander which with a bunch of terminators was really nasty. Now you have to take the challenge traitBig Poppa Freshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07315696236166897973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6593111645312644614.post-16225431885876921912013-10-19T04:12:27.686+11:002013-10-19T04:12:27.686+11:00You missed a few things on Lysander that I feel ar...You missed a few things on Lysander that I feel are key. 1st is that he lost the bolster defenses special rule. 2nd is he lost the army wide stubborn he used to provide. The 12" bubble somewhat replaces this but as you mention this was a replacement for his bolter drill ability. 3rd his warlord trait isn't extremely useful as most enemies will just refuse a challenge or avoid the combat since they are support heroes. Finally, the helldrake can easily out maneuver wherever Lysander is placed and then bbq the rest of the squad so its not much of a defense for that. Otherwise, great article as usual :)Big Poppa Freshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07315696236166897973noreply@blogger.com