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| Not sure if want. |
As a fan of the fat lord of death, and the fluff behind Slaanesh (with the whole killing the Eldar and eating their souls thing) I've decided to do the exact opposite to L2E and do a mixed Nurgle/Slaanesh list. Will it be awesome? Maybe! I'm thinking of painting up the army so they all look similar colour - wise, with a pale, withered flesh tone and some gimpy black styling - also tattoo's, must have the tattoo's.
Whilst hunting for some cool models/inspiration on the net, I incidentally typed in 'Daemonette' in image search - I recommend you avoid doing that; some things really cannot be unseen. I did though, in between cringing, get some cool idea's for modelling and conversions and stuff which leads me to think I can convert up some counts - as nonsense to fit in some units that don't visually fit in with the theme I'm looking to achieve.
As I'm sure you guys know I'm all about teh painting, converting and the fluff stuff which makes the hobby all the sweeter - If I like a model, I will get it; and If I don't like it, it won't go in my army - which mean's that it won't be the most competitive list - but I hope to still make a decent all comers list.
Here is my first 1500pt list:
HQ - (190pts)
- Great Unclean One -190
- 2x Greater Rewards -20
- Master Level 2 -25
- Herald of Slaanesh -45
- Greater Reward -20
- Exalted Locus of Beguilement -30
- Herald of Slaanesh -45
- Greater Reward -20
- Exalted Locus of Beguilement -30
Troops-(370pts)
- Daemonettes of Slaanesh -90
- 5 additional Daemonettes -45
- Alluress -5
- Daemonettes of Slaanesh -90
- 5 additional Daemonettes -45
- Alluress -5
- Plaguebearers of Nurgle -90
Fast Attack-(505)
- Seekers of Slaanesh -60
- 5 additional Seekers -60
- Heart Seeker -5
- Icon of Chaos -10
- Seekers of Slaanesh -60
- 5 additional Seekers -60
- Heart Seeker -5
- Icon of Chaos -10
- Plague Drones of Nurgle -126
- 2 additional Plague Drones -84
- Rot proboscis -25
Heavy Support
- Soul Grinder -135
- Daemon of Nurgle -15
- Phlegm -30
I love this list, there's a good mix of stuff and it seems strong, but not cheesy or overly competitive - It strikes me as finesse kind of army with a couple of fire magnets that are incredibly tough to kill. I can see my army getting butchered quite quickly by massed bolter fire and those snazzy new Dark Angels with their salvo bolter shenanigans.
The idea is to have the Great Unclean One waddle up the field abusing cover and laughing as endless amounts of shooting plink harmlessly off him. The Soul Grinder will be there to soften up some choice targets and hopefully also draw some fire from the enemy - this will will keep the Seekers safe long enough to drop those nasty Daemonette's down. The herald will come down the Daemonette's, and will have a Greater Etherblade to kill TEQ's/butcher any characters she comes across (you can't hide from her!) and just generally mess with people.
I will let it be known that my local Meta usually consists of nothing except marines of some kind, with one or two Necron players - other armies are a rare sight indeed. I'm hoping the combination of rending, buckets of attacks and the generally high initiative of the army will kill enough humies in one round of combat to avoid getting maimed back as the Daemon's are relatively fragile; yet remain locked in combat until my opponents turn.
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In terms of modelling the army, I absolutely hate all of the greater daemon models that GW offer - they're just plain bad, and are really in need of an update - they don't really fit in with the current scale of the game, when a Bloodthirster is dwarfed by a Dreadknight there is something very wrong. Thankfully, Forgeworld has the awesome Nurgle Daemon Prince which is about the same size and just plain looks better (its also cheaper, go figure) so I shall use that as a stand in; If that model wasn't available, I would't be using a Great Unclean One. Period. I'm also not really a big fan of the Soul Grinder model, so I will be modifying a Plague Hulk to more closely resemble the weaponry choices.
I'm also a big fan of actually modelling the army to have the equipment I've chosen, which mostly just boils down to having to convert the two Heralds to be different from each other, and to have swords/spears modelled on them. To achieve this, I will be mixing Hell Striders from Warhammer Fantasy in with my Seekers and doing a bit of a kit bash whilst taking some of the weapon arms from the Hell Striders.
I'm not too sure about the army yet though - If I were going to Daemon's, this is how I'd do it - but it is extremely different to any other army I've played with before; so I am rather hesitant about committing my hard earned (and currently non - existent) money to the army; the Tau rumors are causing me to seriously think hard about which army I'd prefer to play with and paint up.
So what do you guys think? I'm curious to see what you guys think about the new Daemon's, and how would you write that list differently? Do you think I'll get butchered by my opponent? (I probably will) And what kind of fun, fluffy-ish lists are you guys writing up for the new book? Let us know in the comments section or over at +Bell of Lost Souls !
I'm not a big fan of Herald of Slaanesh. For a fun, fluffy list they're okay, but they just don't seem points efficient to me. One herald kitted out the way described above is almost 11 Daemonettes, and I don't see too many situations where I wouldn't just prefer to have the 11 Daemonettes.
ReplyDeleteI also think you should spring for the Lesser Reward you still have the option of going for on your GUO, unless you plan to get a weapon from one of your greater gifts every time. The re-roll to hit from using a mastercrafted weapon is nothing to scoff at for 10 points, especially on a Greater Demon.
Other than that, fun list!
I've got a fun list at 2k points I'm thinking of trying out. It's essentially "how many scary single models can I fit in one force org chart."
BT (Big Threat) List w/ CSM Allies
Fateweaver: 300pts
Lord of Change w/ Exalted and Greater Reward: 280pts
CSM Daemon Prince w/ Mark of Tzeentch, Wings, Armor, Burning Brand: 250pts
17 Chaos Cultists: 78pts
2*13 Plaguebearers: 234pts
Helldrake w/ Baleflamer: 170pts
3* Soul Grinders w/ Tzeentch, Phlegm Bombardment: 510pts
Forgefiend: 175pts
1997pts
The only model I'd need to be able to play that list is the Forgefiend, too!
I guess though you could say that about any of the Heralds, realistically; you sacrifice a bunch of lesser bodies by taking them, but they act as force multipliers that make what is left in the unit so much better. In that sense, I would always take a Herald with a Locus without question; the only exception is the Herald of Tzeentch, but only because he can be a cheap as chips Divination bot. The Herald of Slaanesh with the Exalted Locus gives her unit re-rolls to hit all the time, which is pretty good.
DeletePersonally I think the Etherblade isn't required on a Great Unclean One, ten points for one re-roll to hit is a bit 'eh' to me, especially on a model that is already very points-intensive, but that's just me.
I like that army list! Just remember, you can take two Allied Detachments at 2000 points as well if you get my drift (two allied Heldrakes cough cough) lol. Something Chaos Space Marines and Chaos Daemons do pretty well is target saturation, for sure.
Huh! I completely misunderstood Mastercrafted. I thought it allowed re-rolls on all to-hits. You're definitely right on that.
DeleteThanks! Yeah, the army's built as a 1999+1 list, otherwise I'd be trading the LoC & Forgefiend for another Daemon Prince/Cultist/Helldrake combo. Could a second allied detachment take the same 1-only items as the first? Two Burning Brand princes sounds pretty nasty.
I have a 750pt comming up and I was wondering what list you would take for something so small. We generally have at least 1 GK player, and the rest are generally Necron (non-flyer transports) and Marine (toss up).
ReplyDeleteI have everything for demons that's not a new release. (besides a corn-cannon I made too large)
I was thinking going mono Slannesh with the cannon. What do you think?
Well Slaanesh should do pretty well in a low points game considering how cheap all of their stuff is, but I guess the kind of army list you would want to go for is important. Do you want a monster mash and have two basic Keepers of Secrets running up the field backed by Seekers and the like? Probably not, though at 750 points they would be pretty hard to deal with.
ReplyDeleteAs far as Troops go, I would just stick to two 15-strong squads of Daemonettes, possibly with the Alluress in each squad. I would also take a ten-strong Seekers squad with the icon and maybe the heartseeker. Aside from that, I dunno haha I guess it depends on how much shooting you expect to run into. Fiends and the Skull Cannon would work very well with all of your other units to make their assaults much easier to survive.
For fun, I did come up with a 750 point army list on the dot, though it probably wouldn't work tell well in a tournament environment;
HQ
Keeper of Secrets - 170 (warlord)
Keeper of Secrets - 170
Troops
Daemonettes (15) w/ alluress - 140
Daemonettes (15) w/ alluress - 140
Fast Attack
Seekers (10) w/ icon - 130
Have the Keepers run up the field, abusing cover as much as possible, and get the Seekers into a good position early on; if your opponent follows their instincts, they will target the Keepers and not the Seekers. After that, deep-strike your Daemonettes down reliably from the Seekers, and get some charges going - depending on the table size, the Keepers may very well be able to get into combat by turn two, and the Seekers definitely should be able to if you so desire. The Daemonettes should make combat by turn three. No shooting whatsoever aside from the psychic powers on the Keepers, but eh, its just a fun army I came up with haha.
Ahhh... What the hell, I'll give it a go. I dont take tournaments below 1500 seriously anyway. I'll let ya know how it goes.
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